Is commercial tax delinquent property a good beginner investment? Post 160
Mitch Goldstein | Coach Mitch | January 29th, 2011
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Another subscriber question.
Hi Mitch,
Have you ever done this … (tax delinquent property investing…ed.note)
with Commercial Real Estate ?
Thanks, Angelo
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Angelo,
Thank you for the question.
Investing in commercial tax delinquent property is done in the same manner as residential property investing.
Typically though,
- the sellers are more sophisticated,
- have many more assets,
- as well as a greater debt load,
- and are under pressure
- from sources that are more aggressive than a residential bank.
You will find that commercial property is often encumbered with private financing and therefore owners are familiar with it, and that these owners are open to creative solutions because that is often how their purchase was put together.
The larger properties are not usually free and clear. The tax bills are not paid because the tax bills and other expenses are high and the owners did not manage rents well. However, sometimes the small 2-4 multi-family and small mixed-use properties are free and clear. A downstairs grocery store with an upstairs apartment is a good bet. Be careful of bars and other businesses which are trouble or subject to the vagaries of the economic climate, like nail and suntan shops.
The big difference between residential and commercial is the range and the depth of knowledge you must have to safely invest.
- Financing differences,
- zoning restrictions,
- code enforcement will be much stricter,
- leases are much different,
- Grandfather clauses,
- taxation complications,
- and licensing issues all need to be thoroughly understood.
The differences between residential and commercial mount
- The different types of repairs (awnings, big showcase windows, basement doors on the street) and the difference in costs between commercial repairs as compared to residential repairs will stagger you.
- All sorts of high priced professionals are necessary beyond the legal, accounting and construction professionals, e.g. I had to hire an Aquatics Engineer to defend myself against a suit by the town for something that my commercial tenant did.
- The government and judges do not look upon commercial owners with any pity; and these are just the beginning of the concerns. For anything above a small mixed-use building, you should figure a significant budget for legal and accounting advice.
If you are still haunted by commercial property…
- If your interest in commercial property is unwavering, first, thoroughly read several commercial property forums to become familiar with the jargon and the many and varied issues. I’m really serious about this caution.
- Then, if still hungering for commercial, talk to your lawyer, your CPA, and your commercial Realtor.
- Consider commercial real estate appraisal courses. Find a CCIM and speak about creative commercial concepts. A CCIM (Certified Commercial Investment Member) is a recognized expert in the commercial and investment real estate industry.
This is an area that just begs you to be prepared.
Commercial investing is shark infested waters. It is full of snakes accomplished at speaking with forked tongues.
Start with residential unless you are a snake charmer with anti-venom in one pocket and a fat bank book in another pocket.
See Coach Mitch’s “Ridiculously Simple System…” ™ for details.
Call me, we should talk.
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Ellis, you are Exciting Dear Coach Mitch,
I got the list of tax delinquent properties exactly how he explained to get it, and found the ones that didn't have any mortgages and not many liens.
I found one property I really wanted to pursue, so I drove by the house and saw it was vacant and talked to a neighbor sitting outside who had the owner’s number. I called the owner that night and asked what was her plan with the property. She signed the deed over to me for just a one dollar.
I started marketing the house that day and it was sold after two days on the market for $12,000 with me only investing one dollar.
The following week I found another property on the list of tax delinquent property that was vacant, up for auction and also free and clear of any mortgages with just a $600 lien on the property. I called the owner and asked what was her plans for the property. She stated she didn't want the property. I told the owner I would take full responsibility for the property. She asked what was in it for her? I said one hundred dollars and she agreed; I will be closing next week.
Coach Mitch’s program really works.
Ellis Davis St. Louis, Missouri
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Hi Coach Mitch,
Thanks, that postcard template is a brilliant idea. The new strategy really puts us ahead of the curve. I can picture the seller thinking a developer has money and is willing to pay top dollar without any extensive haggle.
Yet, they most likely will still be willing to negotiate if need be. I really like your series of strategies to get the seller to lower the price if they get obstinate.
The new post card format and verbiage seems great. The sales message is very powerful.
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Best,
-Ken Barns, Oxnard, CA
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Hello Coach Mitch.I wanted to know have you done a lot of tax lien investing in New York and how would I go about it.I ordered the Saen Higgins Wealth Without Worry book and from what they say it is easy but I’m sceptical.I understand you coached the late Roy Stubblefield and his wife.How did you meet? After I order your program I think I’m going to need coaching until I know fully how to go about this.
Take care Coach Mitch,
Saleem
Saleem,
Although I can coach it, I do not do tax lien investing because I am able to do so much better by speaking with the tax delinquent sellers. Tax liens in NY will pay 12%, which is not bad, if compared to a 2% CD. In addition, you have to buy the tax liens for several years and wait for years to get your money back – if you do. However, I don’t even look at a property unless I believe that I can make at least 200% ROR, Rate Of Return on a quick flip. When you compare 200% to 12% or even to 24% in Iowa, the TLC doesn’t fair too well. In addition, I don’t have to wait for years to see the profits.
I met Roy Stubblefield when he brought me in as the coach for his students. He was a wonderful guy and I miss him.
If you order Coach Mitch’s Ridiculously Simple System $297. and upon reading the course you still feel that you need coaching, I will be pleased to provide it. You should try things on your own. There are so many properties that are tax delinquent that it doesn’t matter if you blow a deal or two. We all have growing pains.
Good luck,
Coach Mitch